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BRANDT - Ambition 1680 (aka KDF 680) ProfiLine. ...Edgebander w/Premilling & Corner RoundingSpecifications: -- Edge thickness: 0.4 - 12 mm (0.02" - 1/2"); incl. 3 mm (0.12") PVC banding. -- Workpiece: Thickness 8 - 60 mm (0.314" - 2.375"). -- Min. workpiece width: 70 mm (2.76"); min. workpiece length: 160 mm (6.37"). -- Working height: 950 mm (37.8"). Equipped with: -- 3 HP (2.2 kW) Feed motor; variable feed speeds from 26 - 59 FPM (8 - 18 MPM); applying solid or using corner rounding units. -- Heated Infeed Fence. -- Infeed panel support with: Roller guide extends out to 800 mm (31.4"). -- Motorized top pressure beam adjustment with 0.16 HP (0.12 kW) Motor. -- 80 mm (3.15") Wide Heavy-Duty feed chain with: Rubber pads, automatic chain track lubrication. -- Top pressure section with: Double-wide compound V-belt to prevent panel movement. -- All cutting & trimming workstations are: HF (High Frequency motors); line control (no limit switches) for workstation functions. -- Top & Bottom spraying device: Located in front of premilling station for easy residual glue cleaning. -- Manual adjustment in case of modified panel overhang. -- Automatic edge infeed. -- Reinforced guillotine for coiled edgebanding material; 0.3 - 3 mm (0.01 - 0.12") thickness & 8 - 45 mm (0.314" - 1.78") height. -- Centralized Lubrication system.Premilling Station: -- (2) 3 HP (2.2 kW) - 12,000 RPM Vertical milling/jointing heads; electropneumatic jump control on 1st motor; electronic frequency inverter for control of motor speed & braking; SIKO digital units for vertical & horizontal adjustments.Glue Preheat Unit: -- 2.5 kW, 3 kG (6.61 Lbs.) cap.; glue viscosities: 25,000 - 80,000 mPa; temperature range: 120° - 245° C (248° - 473° F); max. melting capacity 6 kG/Hr.EVA Hot Melt Glue Application System: -- Quick change glue tank with Premelter for easy maintenance & glue color change; melting capacity: Approx. 6 - 10 kG/Hr; glue reactivating infrared heating unit positioned between glue roller & pressure zone to improved edge quality.Pressure Zone: -- Program controlled positioning of the pressure zone; (1) large driven & (3) secondary pneumatically controlled idle rollers.Workstations: -- Front & Rear End Trimming Unit with: Gap optimization, (2) 0.5 HP (0.35 kW) - 12,000 RPM motors, electro-pneumatic reset for straight or chamfer trimming. -- Top & Bottom Multi-stage Trimming Unit: (2) 0.73 HP (0.55 kW) - 12,000 RPM Motors with vertical & horizontal tracing; 2-position programmed controlled indexing. Position #1 with slight projection of 0.2 mm & Position #2 with flush trimming without projecting edge; Servo motor, controlled positioning of the work units and side copy for multiple edge thickness. -- Multifunction Profile Trimming Unit (Corner Rounding) with: Magnetic drive technology, (4) 0.54 HP (0.4 kW) - 12,000 RPM motors, 18 MPM (59 FPM) max. feed speed; 3 mm (0.12") max. edge thickness, 12 - 60 mm (0.50 - 2.375") workpiece thickness, quick-change mo

BRANDT KDF 660 2C EDGEBANDER (W/PRE-MILLING & CORNER ROUNDING): -- Specifications:Work-Capacity 0.4 - 8 mm Edge cap; 8 - 55 mm Panel thickness; 160 mm (6-3/8") min. panel length and 65 mm (2-1/2") min. width; line control (NO limit switches) for workstation function. Feed-Speed 14 MPM (11 MPM automatically when corner rounding). Equipped With: -- Pre-Milling Station, for cleaning edges of panel. -- Quick Change Gluing System, for maintenance & glue color change. -- Automatic Magazine for strip & coil stock, 3 mm PVC guillotine, (1) drive plus (3) idle roll "pneumatically controlled" & Servo controlled pressure sections for quick edge thickness changeover. Workstations -- End Trimming: Double motor (2 x 0.5 HP - 12,000 RPM motors), automatic chamfer from control panel 0ø - 15ø. -- Pre-Flush Trimming: Top & bottom (2 x 0.5 kW approx. or 0.67 HP - 12,000 RPM motor) with (4) pre-set position index settings. -- Fine/Bevel/Radius Trimming Station: Top & Bottom (2 x 0.35 kW approx. or 0.50 HP - 12,000 RPM) bevels 0ø - 25ø, with combination flush/radius/chamfer cutter heads; horizontal & vertical tracing wheels, comes with optional brushless Servo motors for quick thickness changeover. -- Corner Rounding Station: (2 x 0.35 kW motors or 0.5 HP - 12,000 RPM motors) for leading & trailing edges of panels; either radius or chamfer cutters can be mounted; 3 mm max. edge thickness. -- Profile Scraping Unit: Top & bottom PVC radius scraping with pneumatic control, PVC Scrape collection box. -- Flat Glue Scraping Unit: Top & bottom glue-joint scrape station. -- Buffing Unit: Top & bottom (2 x 0.125 HP - 1,400 RPM motors).Complete With:&#9679 Operator Control Panel, Power Control PC 20+ with color LCD screen & soft keypad. &#9679 All trimming stations have HF motors w/electronic brakes. &#9679 Padded sound enclosure and used tooling. -- 220/480v, 3Ph, 60Hz transformer. -- Actual Model is BRANDT KDF 660 2C

BRANDT KDF-550 C EDGEBANDER WITH PRE-MILL AND CORNER ROUNDING Edge & Workpiece Capacity 0.4 -8 mm (0.016 - 0.31") edge; 8 -60 mm (0.31" - 2-3/8") panel thickness; 160 mm (6.29") min. panel length and70 mm (2-.75") min. panel width.Equipped with: -- Pre-Milling Station with diamond cutter heads, (2) motors @ 2.25 kW (3.0 HP), 12.000 RPM, LH & RH rotation w/pneumatic jump control for chip-free and clean panel edges. -- In-feed Fence, with servo motor positioning. -- Automatic Edge Magazine, for strip & coil stock, strips 0.4 mm-8 mm (0.016- 0.31"), coils up to3 mm PVC and "HD" guillotine. -- Pressure Section,1st. roller driven plus (3) idle rollers, timed pneumatic pressure controlled; Servo motor positioning for programmable edge thickness changeover. -- Feed Speed, variable 8 - 14 MPM. (26 -46 FPM),11 MPM (36 FPM) when using contour trimming. -- BRANDT" PowerControl PC 16, Memory:256 MB Ram, 1 GB Flash Card Drive, Operator control panel w/22" color HD wide screen, soft keypad & internal modem for remote diagnostic link.Workstations: -- End Trimming, (2) Motor @ 0.35 kW (1/2 HP) 12,000 RPM, automatic chamfer from the control panel 0°- 15°. -- Flush/Bevel-Fine/Radius Trimming Unit: Top/bottom (2) motors, 0.55 kW (3/4 HP) 12,000 RPM, auto tilt positioning 0° - 25°, with combination flush/radius/chamfer cutterheads; horizontal and vertical tracing wheels. -- Includes (3) positioning options, profile 1, profile 2, and flush trimming. -- Corner Rounding Unit (1) Motor 0.35 kW (1/2 HP) 12,000 RPM for leading & trailing edges vertical corner rounding of panels; either radius or chamfer cutters can be mounted; 3 mm max. edge thickness. -- Scraping, Multi-Profile(PVC) Top/bottom with (2) profiles. 1 mm and 2 mm or 3 mm instead of 2 mm, servo control positioning of vertical & horizontal copy wheels.PVC scrape collection box. -- Scraping Glue Unit: Flush top/bottom on the panel surface with floating insert knives. -- Buffing Unit: Top/bottom (2) motors, 0.10 kW (0.125 HP) 2,800 RPM.Complete with: Motorized, programmable hold-down pressure beam; padded sound enclosure -- Actual Model is BRANDT, OPTIMATKDF 550 C

Pre-milling Unit End Trim Profile/Flush trimming Unit Corner Rounding Unit Profile scraping Buffing Max feed speed: 10 m/min Maximum panel thickness: 50 mm

BRANDT AMBITION 1200 (aka KDN-200) EDGEBANDER (Compact): -- Specifications: 0.4 - 3 mm (1/8") Edge thickness cap., 8 - 50 mm (0.3" - 2") panel thickness, 60 mm (2.3") min. panel width and 140 mm (5-1/2") min. length. -- Hot Melt granulate glue system with "Quick Melt" start-up (10 - 12 Min heat-up) with reversible rotation glue applicator roller and automatic reduction glue temperature adjustment (when idle drops to 150°, 2-1/2 Min to re-activate). -- Automatic feed magazine, coil stock feeds automatically with guillotine cutoff, all strip stock are fed automatically through strip feed magazine. -- 3-Roller pressure section (1st driven, next (2) idle) w/electronically controlled and feed speed synchronized drive rollWorkstations: -- Vertical travel double-motor front & rear end trim with tilting of 0° - 15° cap. (0.24 HP - 12,000 RPM motors); -- Top & Bottom Multifunctional Trimming Units (0.36 HP - 12,000 RPM motors), bevel 0° to 15°. -- Top & bottom buffing unit (0.15 HP - 2,750 RPM motors).Equipped with: -- Operator control panel at eye-level. -- Automatic height adjustment with top pressure beam for all work stations. -- Digital height indicator on hold-down beam. -- Electronic motor brakes on trimmers. -- Feed speed of 30 FPM.Includes: 200 Hz Electronic frequency inverter, used tooling, sound enclosure w/window, and operators manual. -- Actual Model is BRANDT AMBITION 1200 (aka KDN 200).

BRANDT F-13 Top & Bottom TrimmerFor simultaneous top & bottom flush/radius trimming of the oversized edgeband on straight & shaped workpieces with inside-and-outside radii.Specifications: -- Top & Bottom edge trim PVC, HPL and veneer edgings, up to 3 mm max. thickness. -- Manually operated, 1/2" - 2-1/4" panel thickness, 1-3/8" min. inside radius. -- Features: Independent top & bottom trim heads (0.5 HP - 11,800 RPM motor each); -- Built-in air jet blowoff device, 31" x 48" table size, and dual foot pedal controlNOTE: Intermittent fault in the control panel, which will require replacement.

Brandt KDN 770 2C Machine has been removed from service. Owner claims it is ready to run! Specs (to be confirmed): Hot Melt granulate quick heat-up glue system, overhead glue tank for easy maintenance & glue color change. Automatic magazine for strip & coil (large 800 mm dia. coil table to accommodate large coils of 3 mm PVC) stock, 3 mm PVC guillotine. (1) Drive plus (3) idle rolls "pneumatically controlled" pressure sections. End Trimming: 0.33 HP - 12,000 RPM Motors, chamfers 0° - 15°. Flush Trimming: Top & bottom, bevels 0° - 15° with (4) revolver type index pre-sets, (2) 0.5 HP - 12,000 RPM motors, cutter heads with insert knives. Fine/Radius Trimming: Top & bottom, bevels 0° - 15° with (4) revolver type index presets (0.5 HP - 12,000 RPM motors), cutter heads with insert knives for 3 mm PVC radius. 2 motor corner rounding Scraping Unit: Top & bottom for 2 - 6 mm radius, pneumatically controlled blowoff nozzles. Buffing Unit: Top & bottom buffing (0.25 HP - 1,400 RPM motors). Variable feed chain track speed from 8 - 20 MPM (26 - 65 FPM), 2 HP feed drive.

Brandt KDF 650 Edgebander

Great Condition Recently Fully Serviced Profile Scrapers and Surface Scrapers No Premill/No Buffers

BRANDT AMBITION 1650 FC High Flex EDGEBANDER (W/PRE-MILLING & CORNER ROUNDING): -- Specifications: Edge thickness 0.4 - 12 mm (0.02" - 0.5"), incl. 3 mm (0.12") PVC banding. -- Workpiece thickness 8 - 60 mm (0.314" - 2.375"). -- Min. workpiece width 70 mm (2.76"), Min. workpiece length 160 mm (6.37"). -- Working height 950 mm (37.8"). -- Equipped with:3 HP (2.2 kW) Feed motor for variable feed speeds from 26 - 59 FPM (8 - 18 MPM) applying solid or using corner rounding units. -- Infeed panel support with roller guide extends out to 800 mm (31.4"). Motorized top pressure beam adjustment with 0.16 HP (0.12 kW) Motor. -- 80 mm (3.15") W Heavy Duty feed chain, with rubber pads, automatic chain track lubrication. -- Top pressure section with double-wide compound V-belt to prevent panel movement. -- All cutting & trimming workstations are HF (High Frequency Motors); line control (no limit switches) for workstation functions. -- Top & bottom spraying device located in front of pre-milling station for easy residual glue cleaning. -- Manual adjustment in case of modified panel overhang. -- Automatic edge infeed. -- Reinforced guillotine for coiled edgebanding material; 0.3 - 3 mm (0.01 - 0.12") thickness & 8 - 45 mm (0.314" - 1.78") Height.Pre-milling Station: -- (2) 3 HP (2.2 kW) - 12,000 RPM Vertical milling/jointing heads, Electro-pneumatic jump control on 1st motor, electronic frequency inverter for control of motor speed & braking, SIKO digital units for vertical & horizontal adjustments.Glue Preheat Unit: -- 2.5 KW, 3 KG (6.61 Lbs.) cap.; glue viscosities 25,000 - 80,000 mPa, temperature range 120° - 245° C (248° - 473° F); max. melting capacity 6 KG/Hr.EVA Hot Melt Glue Application System: -- Quick-change glue tank for easy maintenance & glue color change, melting capacity approx. 6 - 10 KG/Hr; glue reactivating infrared heating unit positioned between glue roller & pressure zone to improved edge quality.Pressure Zone: -- Program controlled positioning of the pressure zone; (1) large driven & (3) secondary pneumatically controlled idle rollers.Workstations: -- Front & Rear End Trimming Unit with: Gap optimization, (2) 0.5 HP (0.35 kW) - 12,000 RPM motors, electropneumatic reset for straight or chamfer trimming. -- Top & Bottom Multistage Trimming Unit: (2) 0.73 HP (0.55 kW) - 12,000 RPM Motors with vertical & horizontal tracing; 2-position programmed controlled indexing. Position #1 with slight projection of 0.2 mm & Position #2 with flush trimming without projecting edge; Servo motor, controlled positioning of the work units and side copy for multiple edge thickness. -- Multifunction Profile Trimming Unit (Corner Rounding) with: Magnetic drive technology, (2) 0.54 HP (0.4 kW) - 12,000 RPM motors, 18 MPM (59 FPM) max. feed speed; 3 mm (0.12") max. edge thickness, 12 - 60 mm (0.50 - 2.375") workpiece thickness, quick-change motor system for different radius profiles, pneumatic (2) position indexing for different edge thickness.

Brandt KF 76F Edgebander: Premil, top/bottom trim, buffing, extra glue pot Ligmatech ZHR 01/R/075 Return: 87”x84” crossover, 36”x19.5’ for the return conveyor belt

BRANDT KDF-520 EDGEBANDER (W/PRE-MILLING) -- Specifications:Edge thickness cap. 0.4 - 8 mm (5/16"). Panel thickness of 8 mm - 50 mm (5/16" - 2"). Min. panel length 160 mm (6-3/8") & 65 mm (2-1/2") min. width.Equipped with: -- Quick heat-up glue system (approx. 12 Min) w/quick change glue tank for maintenance & glue color change.Glue temperature indicator for both the glue pot & glue roller with LED thermostat, automatic temperature setback if the machine is idle for (15) Min or more.The glue applicator roller is reversible & retractable from the fence line. (1) drive plus (2) idle rollers "pneumatically controlled" pressure section. -- Automatic magazine for strip & coil (large 800 mm dia. coil table to accommodate large coils of 3 mm PVC) stock, 3 mm PVC guillotine. WorkStations: -- (2) Motor Pre-milling Unit with: (2) 3 HP motors (12,000 RPM) to clean-up potential chipped edges. -- End trim (0.25 HP - 12,000 RPM motors), chamfers 0° - 15°. -- Top & bottom flush/radius trim, bevels 0° - 15° (0.5 HP - 12,000 RPM motor), with insert knives for 3 mm PVC radius. -- Top & bottom scraping for 3 mm radius, pneumatically controlled indexing system. -- Top & bottom glue scraping. -- Top & bottom buffing (0.25 HP - 2,800 motors). -- Trim Stations have HF motors w/electronic brakes. -- Operator & Machine Control:"POWER CONTROL PC 20+" Control. -- Complete with: Feed chain track speed 11 MPM (36 FPM), 3 HP feed drive. &#9679 Operator control panel w/PLC (Programmable Logic Control) keypad & LED readouts. &#9679 Line control (NO limit switches) for workstation function. &#9679 Signal infeed light to insure proper spacing between panels. &#9679 Height adjustment with top pressure beam for all workstations. &#9679 Equipped with digital height indicator. &#9679 Safety hoods/doors. &#9679 Used tooling. -- Actual Model is BRANDT KDF 520

BRANDT KDF 110 (AMBITION 1110) Edgebander with Pre-Mill0.4 - 3 mm (1/8") Edge thickness cap., 8 - 40 mm (0.3" - 1.57") panel thickness, 60 mm (2.3") min. panel width and 140 mm (5-1/2") min. length.Equipped with: -- In-Feed Fence, adjustable, manual with digital indicator. -- Pre-Milling Unit, (2) motor, (1) jump, counter-rotating for the best possible glue joint. -- Gluing System, hot-melt, quick heat-up time and easy maintenance. -- Edge Magazine, automatic for strip & coil stock, 3 mm PVC guillotine, -- Side Pressure Section, (1) driven plus 2-idle roller w/digital readout setting.Workstations: -- End Trimming Unit, double motor end trim (2 x 0.5 HP - 12,000 RPM motors), chamfers 0° - 15°. -- Multi Trimming Unit, top/bottom for flush/bevel/radius trimming with (3) quick setting positions. Motors (2 x 0.5 HP - 12,000 RPM) with insert knives. -- Buffing Unit, top/bottom (2 x 0.5 HP) motors. -- NOTE: Open station at end; scraping unit could be addedControls:LCD Display, approx. 2 x 6" with soft-keys for fast navigation and operator comfort. Complete With: -- Feed Speed, fixed 8 m/Min (26 FPM), 3 HP feed drive. Sound enclosure and Scraper collection box.Actual Model: AMBITION 1110

Brandt KDF 440 Highflex 1440 Edgebander

Brandt Ambition 1110 Edgebander

BRANDT AMBITION 1120 FC (aka KDF 120 C) (EDGEBANDER WPRE-MILL & CORNER ROUNDING): -- Specifications: Edge & Workpiece Capacity, 0.4 - 3 mm Edge cap., min. panel thickness 8 mm (0.3"), max. panel thickness 40 mm (1.57"), min. panel width 70 mm (2.75"). Min panel length: 140 mm (5.5")Line control (NO limit switches) for workstation function. Automatic height adjustment with top pressure beam for all workstations. Auto in-feed stop to insure proper spacing between panels. Equipped with: -- Pre-Milling Station:(2) motors @ 0.75 kW (1.0 HP) ea., 12.000 RPM, LH & RH rotation w/pneumatic jump control for chip-free and clean panel edges. Equipped with diamond cutter heads. -- Gluing Section:Automatic magazine for strip & coil (large coil table 800 mm diameter to accommodate large coils of 3 mm PVC) stock, 3 mm PVC guillotine, Pressure Section with (1) large drive plus (2) idle rollers "pneumatically controlled." Hot Melt granulate quick heat-up glue system. Workstations: -- End Trimming: 2 x 0.18 kW (1/4 HP), 12,000 RPM motors, THK guided, chamfers 0° - 15°. -- Flush/Bevel/Radius Trimming:2 x 0.55 kW (0.75 HP),12,000 RPM motors with insert knives for 3 mm PVC radius. cutter-heads, bevels 0° - 15°. -- Corner Rounding Station:1-Motor (4-corners) contour trim for profile corner rounding, 1 x 0.35 kW (0.5 HP), 12,000 RPM motor, with insert knivesFor 3 mm PVC radius w/digital read-out set-up and pneumatic change-over from thin to thick PVC edge tape. -- "Quick-Change" Profile Scraping Unit:Top & bottom for 2 - 3 mm radius, pneumatically controlled blow-off nozzles. -- Flat Scraping Unit:Top & bottom flat scraping units with copy wheels to remove residual glue squeeze-out. -- Operator & Machine Control: "ECO Plus Control", easy operation with simple menu format; large LCD display and integrated line control via keypad.Production readiness displayed by traffic light indicator with ability to adjust units quickly thanks to direct access via ctrl keys. Intuitive, user-oriented navigation with a clear overview of the help and assistant functions, including the glue pot temperature or troubleshooting in plain text. -- Complete With: &#9679 Trim stations have HF motors w/electronic brakes &#9679 Fixed feed chain track speed of 8 MPM (26 FPM) &#9679 2 HP feed drive &#9679 208/230/440/480v, 3ph Transformer &#9679Sound/Safety Enclosure &#9679 Adjustable Out-Rigger Support &#9679 Used tooling. -- Actual Model is BRANDT AMBITION 1120 FC (aka KDF 120 C)

BRANDT AMBITION 1870 (aka KDF 870) EDGEBANDER (W/PRE-MILLING & CORNER ROUNDING); -- Specifications: Edge & Workpiece Capacity, 0.4 - 20 mm Edge thickness cap., incl. 3 mm PVC banding, min. workpiece width 65 mm (2.5") and min. length 160 mm (6.375"), panel thickness 8 - 60 mm (0.314" - 2.187".3 HP (2.2 KW) feed drive for variable feed speed 36 - 65 FPM (11 - 20 MPM), with CR engaged or applying solid wood up to 52 FPM (16 MPM) max feed speed.infeed panel support w/roller guide extends out to 1,000 mm (39").Working height 900 mm (35"); 80 mm wide Heavy Duty feed chain w/rubber pads, motorized raise/lower upper pressure beam.Automatic chain track lubrication; top pressure section with non-marking neoprene pressure wheelsAll cutting & trimming workstations are HF (High Frequency Motors); Line control (no limit switches) for workstation functions. Equipped with: -- Pre-Milling Station: (2) 3 HP (2.2 kW) - 12,000 RPM "HOMAG" Vertical milling/jointing heads, electro-pneumatic jump control, heads counter-rotate, SIKO digital units for vertical & horizontal adjustments. -- "Quick-Melt" Hot Melt glue system w/pre-melting hopper feed, "quick change" hopper & tank for color changes, reversible glue applicator roller rotation; approx. (12) Min heat-up time. -- Extended Magazine for application of solid edges from 0.4 - 20 mm (3/4") thickness and coil material from 0.4 - 3 mm thickness; Infrared heating unit positioned between glue roller and pressure zone to improved edge quality. -- Program controlled motorized pressure zone: Pressure section with (1) large driven and (4) pneumatically controlled idle rollers, SIKO digitals for setting. Reinforced guillotine for coiled edgebanding material 0.4 - 3.5 mm thickness and 8 - 55 mm height; -- Brandt "Power Control PC 20+" with 12' TFT flat screen monitor; front side USB port, 1 GB Flash Card, 600 MHZ Hard Drive, 256 MB RAM; Internal modem for remote diagnostic link.Edgebander Workstations: -- Front & Rear End Trim: (high speed version, 1 HP - 12,000 RPM ea.), pneumatic control for straight or chamfer-trimming. -- Servo controlled Top & Bottom Rough Trims: (2 HP - 12,000 RPM motor ea.) w/vertical & horizontal tracing, pneumatic (in/out position) control from control panel, tilts 0 - 25°. -- Top & Bottom Fine Trimmers: (1 HP - 12,000 RPM motor ea.), Servo control bevel 0° - 25° tilt angle, w/vertical & horizontal tracing, Servo Control (in/out position) from control panel; contour profile trimming units (two 0.5 HP - 12,000 RPM motors), Servo Control (in/out position) from control panel (all trim station motors are 200 Cy HF and equipped w/electronic brakes). -- Corner Rounding Unit: (2) Motors (0.5 HP / 0.4 kW) - 12,000 RPM motors ea, 16 MPM (52 FPM) operating feed speed. -- Quick Change Top & Bottom Profile Scraping Unit: With digital "quick-set" system for 2 - 6 mm radius (0.078" to 0.47"), Servo Control in/out from operator panel and pneumatically controlled blow-off nozzles. -- Top & Bottom Buffing u

2007 Brandt KDF 680 Single sided Edgebander with Pre Milling and Corner Rounding

Brandt Optimat KDF 230C Edgebander

Brandt 1100 Edgebander Seller closed shop about 1 year ago and put this in storage. Claims they were using the machine up until they shut down.